That’s because the only reason he asked our opinions is

because he was leading in to recruiting us. He has no desire to discuss truth and, in truth, he doesn’t give a used tinker’s dam what we have to say or what the truth is. All he cares about is what he wants to believe.

He doesn’t have the inner strength he’d need to pay attention to the truth.

That’s because they literally do not care about the facts. All they care about is that they’re right and they’re going to be rich some day soon.

They’ve got that foolish, stupid idea that having a lot of money or being a millionaire solves all of life’s problems.

I hear sound and fury.

(And yes, that’s a slam. If you know Shakespeare, you know where the sound and fury comes from. If you don’t, look up the phrase “full of sound and fury signifying nothing” and see who tells the tale.)

I know its over

when I post excerpts from the companies SEC filings to make my points and you come back with this rant.

This is a classic style of arguing that MLMers use. When you go back with facts, they try to find some reason why you are personally biased against MLMs. That explains EVERYTHING….
His point being that if people here hadn’t failed at MLMs before, they would IMMEDIATELY see the light and find that PPL is the best thing ever….

Okay, step back

There is so much wrong with that statement it’s hard to know where to begin. You came in here and asked our opinions. We gave them to you. You say you’ve researched PPL for 1 year. Combined, from the people here, you have over 100 years of experience and research on PPL and any of a number of MLMs. We know what they’re about, we’ve seen them from inside and outside.

And not all of us have even been in an MLM. I never have been a member of any MLM.

Also, did you read the documents you were asked to read when you joined? Oh, don’t bother to answer, because if you had, you would not have made some of the statements you did.

Do you think you’re the first or best person to do what you’ve did? Do you think you’re the first person to see the phrase “MLM” in this blog name and came in, pretending to ask our opinion on an MLM, hoping to recruit some of us? Do you think you are really the one exception that had the idea to come in and see if he could gain recruits from this blog?

We get several people a month that come here, ask us what we think of an MLM, then get upset if we say anything that is less than a glowing recommendation of it, just like what you’re doing. We’re used to it, we see a pattern, repeated over and over, month after month, and the same thing happens every time.

So you’re not doing anything new, anything clever, or anything original. You’re doing the same damned thing we’ve seen many times over and, to be honest, you’re not any different than the dozens of people I’ve seen do it while I’ve been here.

Now as to what kind of reception: First, do you know the purpose of this blog? If you did and had read what you were asked to read before posting, then you would not have posted. You would have known that we’re here to help those with problems in MLMs because of the abuse that is often found in them.

While I have never been desparate enough to join an MLM

I have seen the devastation it has created to family members who bought into various scams. And scams they all are.

Prepaid legal? Good grief! What’s next – an MLM travel store? Why anyone buys any product – prepaid legal, supplements, or any of the hundreds of miracle snake oil cure-all products from people whose only qualification is that they were silly enough to join an MLM is beyond me.

In MLM, you pay for the privilege to either buy goods of questionable value at ridiculous prices, or to annoy everyone you know with a phony business proposition.

We all look forward to your post next year. In the meantime, don’t move out of your parents house yet.

Not that I doubt your sincerity

but do you really think a screenshot of deposits to your checking account constitutes proof of anything?

If you respond back next year, as you’ve now said you will, how about you prepare your Schedule C (the business portion) of your tax return. You can black out the personal stuff, like your S.S. number. That way, everyone can see your income and expenses and write-offs.

That would be much better documentation than a checkbook ledger or a bank statement.

So after reading everything and understanding now that

pretty much everyone here has failed at some MLM company or another I understand why I received the reaction I got from you all. So thanks for your opinions, I dont mind them at all, what I will do though because you are all so convinced I will fail in 1 year than I will reply back to the blog 1 year from now. I have it in my outlook calendar as a reminder to go ahead and reply back with how successful I was.

As for proof, I dont mind sending you an email with a screenshot of my deposits in my bank account, I have nothing to hide. Of Course there are expenses by my deposits outweigh my expenses. But as upset everyone in here seems to be you will get my screenshot in the email and think I photoshopped it so its no bother to me.

I understand people will try things and fail, no worries. People can find faults in everything, some people even think they find faults in the Bible but does that make it false? No! Not saying PPL is anything like the Bible, dont misunderstand me folks, but I am saying if you truly look hard enough you can find anything about everything to help your side of the story, good or bad. Good luck to you all in whatever business, whether it be corporate or you find a home business, and God bless.

I will not reply back to this post until next year.

That’s exactly the point

And it’s a case of projection: When you think you’re right and people bring up points that prove you wrong and you’re getting emotional about it, then you tell others they’re getting emotional. In psychology it’s called projection and that’s what’s going on here. George came in here, trying to make nice and pretend like he was asking for information, just as he was taught to do when prospecting, and instead of everyone saying, “Oh, yes, PPL is one of the good ones,” we hit him with the truth.

The truth? Well some people can’t handle the truth. George is one of them. He’s so sure he’s right that he never has dealt directly with points I’ve made (even in posts awaiting moderation). He’s dealt with some issues, but has conveniently ignored my point about all the sites talking about PPL as a scam or fraud.

What gets me is that he was so eager to try to recruit that he didn’t bother to read the docs he was told to on joining the group. If he had, he would never have posted here.

I can feel the sympathy, but only when a person listens to other points of view and wakes up. I’ve spent my life making sure I deal with all the facts, even if I don’t like them, so I have no sympathy for someone who listens to only what they want to hear, even if it’s because of this type of brainwashing. In his case he’s where he is because heonly paid attention to the research that told him what he wanted to hear.

Within the next year or so, when he realizes he’s not making money and even losing it, he’ll remember this and be rather ticked off because then he’ll see we were right.

I don’t understand

First you post asking for any information and then when you receive it and don’t like what you read you keep posting back, vigorously defending PPL. I think you are not looking for information but are looking to convince others how great PPL is.
I can feel sympathy for you being brainwashed by an MLM (I was too, hook, line and sinker) but to attempt to convince people on THIS site of all sites leads me to believe that you are just not very bright.

As a former Paralegal

who worked at the second largest law firm in our city…. and also worked for an attorney who worked in the three largest cities in Pennsylvania…

Good lawyers do not reccommend this service. They do not participate in this service. Law abiding citizens to not need preventative maintenance to law.

Furthermore, as others suggested, they would not put their top notch attorneys on this stuff. They’d put first year associates and interns on it.

A real estate transaction would not require so much money that you’d need to pay for the service in advance… nor would an estate plan.
If you don’t have a couple hundred dollars for these typical legal occurrances, then you shouldn’t be buying a house and you don’t have an estate to plan for.

This service is poppycosh and no attorney that I ever did work for would ever get mixed up with it. (And I worked for decent attorneys who had good ethics…. not ambulance chasers or the likes)

Have you really truly read the guidelines and summary (about page) of this blog? :)

Do you not understand that we are MLM Survivors…the MLM equivalent of AA? “Hey pal, not ALL alcohol is bad for you, come try my special good for you alcohol!”

Do you understand how many times people come here doing the same exact thing you are doing? Over and over and over again. arrggghh..its tiresome talking to you MLMers. And how does one do the research, know the facts but still believes everything the company says (which often differs from the facts)? Makes no sense.

So since you are doing so well…how about taking PW up on his challenge of PROVING (with actual documents) that you are doing so darn well?? How much do you actually profit? Since you have your own business, its not like you can just quote the total sum of the checks you’ve received as you would in a salaried job. Having your own business comes with a lot of expenses, especially in MLM.

I’m sorry but you ARE wrong about this blog if you think it was the place to come and promote how wonderful your MLM is. AND disguising it all in a “please share your opinions” type post is borderline deceptive. And as far as I could tell, no one was making assumptions about you at all…just responding based on your post, one of many that we’ve seen over and over.

I’m going to start with one SIMPLE question:

What is your purpose with your original post to this group? You’re in PPL, you say you researched it and you imply, in your first post, that you’ve been reading the posts to this group.

So, simply and honestly, if you had researched for a year and then decided to sign up, what was your reason to come here and ask the questions you did?

You say you were not trying to recruit, but what did you hope to gain by coming to this group and asking for opinions if you had already made up your mind?

When you give a complete, open, and honest answer to that, we’ll go on from there.

Okay maybe its me but you seem pretty upset about MLM companies

I see that you have done your research and I am glad. Everything you have said I already know, I looked at Pre Paid Legal for over a year before I joined. No biggy though I still joined because yes i believe in the company and I believed everything they told me. I also know that I have spent a couple hundred dollars already and made a couple thousand. So to me so far its good, and like i said in the beginning I was not trying to recruit anybody so I really dont mind what you say whether it be no or yes and i read every word even though you are saying NO.

Making assumptions of me because of one post i feel is pretty unneccessary and was not expecting that especially after reading the rules here. I guess I was wrong about this group.

The wills, your will is done for the primary member for free and his/her spouse for $20 and updated yearly for free with your membership. Now if you do your research and find that getting a will done by an attorney (that you dont personally know) will cost you anywhere from $250-$500. PPl Membership $26 per month over a year is $312. I am pretty sure just getting my will done is enough to cover the cost of my membership fees.

About Kroll Background America, yes i did hear about them before PPL. Attorney Generals names Duke R. Ligon, Grant Woods, Andrew P. Miller, Mike Moore (look them up). Yup I know those names too.

“By the way, in sales or persuasion speeches or writing, one of the worst things you can do is ask a question people can say “No” to.”

Didnt really matter if you said no or not sir.

$800,000 a year for a large firm is like $8 a month to me. It’s diddly. It’s nothing.

Its not per year its $800,000 a month and if that amount of money per month is like $8 than more power to you. God Bless your amazing fortune.

I find it quite unsettling that someone would need to consult a lawyer that frequently.

Well then sir I am quite glad you are not my attorney because then you would be upset with me finding out what my rights are in different situations.

This argument is so old and overdone it’s just downright boring

Being listed on the NYSE does not mean you want to do business with the company. How long was Enron listed as a stock?

Showing growth is a tricky thing. How is growth defined? Does it mean gross or net income? Does it mean having one more member this quarter than last quarter? Just what does it mean?

$450 million just means they’ve found a lot of people like you who accept everything they’re told because they want to be wealthy and are so in need of believing they’ll be wealthy that they’re willing to believe whatever someone tells them. Again, how much money did Enron make per year? It was in the billions, but only those at the top made money. Amount of income doesn’t prove a thing, but it sounds good in a sales pitch.

You want to believe it because if this isn’t what you think it is, it means you won’t be wealthy in a few years and you’re going to just have to keep working at your regular job.

And the first speech George Bush gave after leaving office was for QS. That doesn’t mean anything other than that what PPL has presented to those AGs looks good. If they’re on the council that does not mean PPL follows their instructions or advice. Have you ever talked to someone on an advisory council? Often they have a limited view of the company and are only focusing on what they’re presented with. The trick is to just present them with info that makes the company look good. This is a form of a logical fallacy called “appeal to authority.”

It’s the same situation with Scientology. John Travolta and Tom Cruise both see a completely different organization than the average Joe who joins up. The stars are wined and dined but the average person is expected to pay all kinds of fees and spend a lot of money, which is what makes the people at the top wealthy.

And is one of those 4 former AGs Elliot Spitzer? That’s a legitimate point. At any one time there are 50 AGs in this country, but with election turn over I know there are 4 former ones in VA alone that are still in the area. Those are just the ones I’m aware of over the past 16-20 years, which means there are even more. When you project that out to 50 states and people living into their 70s and 80s, that would mean it’s safe to say there’s 150-200 or even more living former AGs alive in this country.

4 are with PPL. Are these 4 ones with sterling reputations or ones that are known for taking whatever position pays well? Can you even name which 4 and are you sure it’s 4 that have never been indicted?

Oh, and I’m just working with state AGs. Some cities have a position of AG and some might call it by another name, but once you include cities and counties, the number of former AGs soars. The more there are, the easier it is to get a few that are willing to take a paycheck and not get too involved.

Can you even name the 4 AGs on the PPL Advisory Council?

Team up? How do you mean “team up?” This is another fallacy. It’s a misrepresentation of facts. For instance, let me tell you about another MLM that I refer to as QS. They say, “IBM and Microsoft partnered with us to create this site that millions of people use.”

That’s actually a complete misrepresentation of the whole story. By saying they “partnered with us”, the MLM is telling people, “We’re legit because big companies are working with us as partners.” In truth what happened is that QS PAID Microsoft and IBM to build up the websites for them. Yes, they PAID them to perform a service and since IBM was getting paid, they were happy to take Windows and build a website for QS. There was no partnership. There was just a customer and a vendor. The customer (QS) paid the vendor (IBM and indirectly Microsoft) to build the site.

If you do your research, you’ll find the same with Kroll. PPL pays them for services, but says, “They’ve partnered with us.”

Now here’s a question I have for you: Had you ever heard of Kroll before you joined PPL? Did you know who they were? Can you tell me why, if this is a partnership and something Kroll is doing that they’re proud of, why a search of their site (through their search engine or through Google) does not show any hits for PPL?

And yes, you are shooting back. You feel the questions are legit because they’re the points that were used to convince you to join. It’s all standard MLM-speak and nothing that anyone who’s been on this board a long time hasn’t seen or heard from a half dozen MLMs. It’s the same kind of sales pitch told over and over by PPL, Arbonne, QS, and many others.


when I was trying to explain to my father (a RE developer) that people actual pay monthly for a lawyer “in case they need one”….he thought it was genius…and decided to set something up where people pay monthly for a RE developer “in case they need one”. 😉

I don’t need to hear about how lawyers are more often needed in a person’s life than a RE developer either. I know this but the truth is, we’re not talking health or life insurance. Where if you need emergency or hospital care, the bills can annihilate a family. But lawyer’s fees for the normal reasons that MOST people need them for; closings, wills, etc….are not life changing. If there was a need for lawyer insurance, the marketplace would have demanded it previously using a valid business model. My take on this particular company.

Here are a couple of misconceptions

first thank you for those statistics I do appreciate that. But if PrePaid Legal is not good than can you answer me how it is publicly traded on the NYSE and have 14 consecutive quarters of continuous growth and also hit over 450 million dollars in revenue last year. Also did you know that there are 4 former attorney generals on the advisory council for PrePaid Legal? What about Kroll Background America? would you agree that they are the Worlds leading risk management company? And that identity theft is becoming the #1 crime in America if not the world today? Why would Kroll team up with Pre Paid Legal if they didnt think the lawyers were any good? I am not shooting back sir, I am asking questions I feel are legit, questions actually that have been asked to me, questions I have asked myself.

The misconception i was talking about with lawyers. You do get what you pay for you are absolutely right. And the thing with Pre Paid Legal we have some of the best law firms in each state money can buy. When you are talking about some states having say 100,000 memberships and that law firm is getting 1/3 of each monthly membership you are looking at say $800,000 a month for that law firm whether people use the services or not. Say you have 100 lawyers in that firm I would have to think that these lawyers are getting paid very handsomely.

Pre Paid Legal is like preventive maintenance to law. I personally have used the consultation 6 times in my short time with Pre paid, and honestly to me that alone is worth my membership. Basically because I do not know the law and I do not have the luxury of knowing attorneys, I wish I did though, So finding out my rights in a situation is priceless to me. Some people dont care honestly.

Last thing, PPL does cover everything under title 5 of your membership, which entitles you to a 25% discount on the lawyers hourly rates. It is not free like some people may think or may have been misled to think.

I thank you for your first response sir and value your opinion, so i look forward to your next response.

I own my own business and most of my clients are lawyers

and I’ve had to deal with lawyers in terms of set up and so on. Also my Father died about 15 months ago without a will and had enough assets that we had to deal with not just one but several lawyers to process as much as we could and to not let 45% of large parts of it go to Uncle Sam. (Over a certain amount, there’s an inheritance tax of 45%.)

In the past few years I’ve learned a lot about lawyers. We’ve had people post info about PPL before. We’ve also had people here report that PPL didn’t provide lawyers for situations where they were supposed to provide a lawyer according to contract.

I would not want a lawyer who depends on PPL for income. A good lawyer won’t need them to bring in clients and one that does is either just starting out in their field or not doing well enough to get clients in other ways. Almost by definition, then, a lawyer willing to work for PPL is going to be less than average in skills.

Whether that’s true or not, here’s point to consider, and it boils down to “you get what you pay for.” Any lawyer has spent tens of thousands on his/her legal education (or their parents spent that money). They’ve worked hard and are going to want to make a good salary.
Contrary to popular belief, just because someone is a lawyer does not mean they’re greedy. The lawyers I know are all “good people” and work hard for their money.

When you factor in what a lawyer is going to charge in a case and compare that to what they will get handling a case from PPL, personally, if my butt is on the line and I could lose money or need someone to represent me in traffic or criminal court, I want a lawyer that will do his/her best for me.

I get that by hiring someone myself, not by counting on some group to give me a lawyer that they pick and appoint according to who is in rotation or who they think is the best. I want to interview the lawyers I can choose from and pick the best person in that field of law that I can afford, not someone who’s willing to do cases for a company that, quite simply, is not paying as much as they could.

Sure, you’ll make money off of people that think it’s a good idea, but how will you feel you found out that someone who counted on PPL to provide a lawyer when they needed one either didn’t get a lawyer or didn’t get a good one and didn’t have the money to get the lawyer they needed because they’ve been paying for PPL all along?

Other than for wills and similar situations, most people never need a lawyer unless they are involved in a speeding ticket or something similar. My understanding, which may be wrong, is that PPL won’t cover helping with wills or with creating a corporation. So the chances of Joe Average actually needing the services PPL provides is about as slim a chance as they have of getting hit by lightning or bitten by a shark at the beach.

Yes, we can buy insurance for almost everything bad that can happen to us, but if we do, we’ll never have money to save up and to move forward financially.

I am not trying to promote anything

but I find by reading some of these messages that a lot of you have been in network marketing for a while and have a lot of knoeledge. So my question is has anyone here heard about Pre Paid Legal Services Inc.? If so I would like some of your opinions on the company. I personally am involved but its always good to hear other peoples perspectives. Thank you.

I know someone using clickbank as well

I think they pay for click through referrals. Here’s the catch though – You need large numbers of clickthrus to make any real money. What that means is that you need a website that draws significant traffic – not that simple. Hope that helps……

I was in Freelife before the Himalayan Goji Juice craze came to Freelife

probably came because of the Mangosteen juice MLM companies’ success. Note the lack of nutritional information on the label. Goji juice IS found in stores- the regular stores and health food stores (I saw it in BJ’s Wholesale store in my area). I wouldn’t place too much confidence with it– especially at the price Freelife is asking. They discontinued some of their other products to push the juice as helping in the areas claimed for the discontinued products. It is what they push the most, it seems, and is at the face of their website, last I checked. They really got my thumbs down when they added a ‘coral calcium’ product.
Stay free from Freelife, please. I wish there were a real opportunity in MLM, but I see none I have confidence in.

Maybe you should tell us what the forum is about

I am under the impression it is to allow MLM survivors a say about their experiences with mlm so the rest of us can avoid losing money to programs that don’t work, or to find a good one that does work. If I am wrong, why would the blog be doing this? Poeple are being recruited daily by mlm companies, and with very lucrative propositions, and the economy is bad, people are losing jobs and need to find or make a job. They are using their last pay checks for pie in the sky jobs that don’t produce what they say. I would hope this blog is about that. If not please visit and find out about your company and make a better choice. Just remember one or two bad reports may be just that, however a lot of bad reports should be a clue. You can also check with your attorney generals office and see what they have to say. The BBB is a joke. However the federal trade comission is bad
news to crooks too. Use your tax paid entities to make wise decisions. I want to thank this blog for their input, and to hope they keep reporting bad deals to the hopeful mlm recruits.

Haven’t you heard? MLM’s stink! ;)

3 seconds and a browser got me that its the “new and improved” version of Goji Berry juice from Freelife. Been there/done that – have the empty pockets to prove it. Freelife is not’s typical MLM and they’ll bleed you like leeches with all their marketing tools and monthly quotas.

Other than seeing several internet ads

I am neither a sales representative, customer, distributor of the Himalayan Gochi product.
Also, from what I’ve heard about various sales programs associated with that Gochi product, it appear they are all of the MLM flavor. And, having been a former Quixtar Independent Business Owner (IBO); I quit being a Quixtar IBO as of December 2011, the thought of Gochi being associated with a MLM program leaves a very bad taste in my mouth.

Best Regards

Comments anyone?

The latest MLM marketing schemes I’ve been hearing about and seeing on the internet is the marketing of himalayan Gochi.
I do not have any idea whether the marketing of Gochi is profitable (let alone lucrative), or not?

I understand from your reply above that

you are following the usual “Brainwash thinking” that MLM supplies it’s drones. “Why would you listen to losers, or people that have failed in a business? Only listen to the people that have succeded in an endeavour. Right?
The flaw in this logic is huge. You are told to follow the system so you can learn and benefit from others past mistakes. Don’t try to reinvent the wheel. Right? But you are told not to listen to anyone who’s failed at anything. By that logic you can’t listen to your upline because they have all failed at some point in something. Right?
Also the only people that you are taught to listen to are the ones that are making some sort of money off you from guaranteed payday loans online! Right? The point isn’t that some people fail at this but that well over 99.8% of people fail at this. Have you ever asked yourself why so many fail? Why so many drop out? Why it so hard to be in that top .01%? I don’t see failure at this rate in anything I can currently think of. In my parts it is a dream for most boys to make the NHL but only a very tiny percentage do. I know of hundreds who had that dream and know of a handful that realized that dream. I know of thousands who dreamed of MLM success and know of not one of them that ever did.
I also find it very offensive that you would imply that I am a failure. I was an Amway poster boy for many years. I had my upline, my upline emeralds, my upline diamonds, and even Dexter Yeager at one point telling me that I was doing everything absolutely right and to just keep on keeping on. 7 years of massive financial losses and keep on keeping on? These people are criminals who were fleecing me. It’s funny because at the same time I was taught to tell prospective recuits that they should work on getting rid of their jobs bcause doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results is insane. Kind of a logical fallacy right?

My wife and I were taken in by a program called Passport to Wealth

We admit we fell for all the fancy videos and emails promising thousands of dollars each month working right from our home. We even searched for bad press on Passport to Wealth, but all of Passport to Wealth Scam sites that we found were either in support of it or supporting another business opportunity so we thought it was legitimate.

Well, soon after we joined, we found out that the products that they offered were outdated and unsupported junk. All the products were being used for was to make the company look like it was on the level. No one was actually selling these products, just trying to get more people to sign up, as that is where the income was suppose to come from.

When our sponsor started to pitch other businesses to us we really started to get suspicious and contacted the Federal Trade Commission and other Law enforcement agencies and found out that what they were doing was really illegal!

Well we wanted to fight back and we did! We made complaints to whoever would listen to us and even put up a web site and blog to let other people know of our experience and ongoing battle to recover what we could.

Let me tell you all right now, it is working! We are making progress in our fight against Passport to Wealth and the person we was our sponsor into it.

I have several online friends who belong to Affiliates Share

They reported their deposited amounts of money were doubling and tripling within days. These monies were accrued from advertising. You could roll over your money and make more and more and more !

So, i joined. My deposit was to come from paypal or credit card. I completed the form using $100 from paypal. i never received a confirmation from Paypal.

So, i did it again but dropped the money down to $50. Still no confirmation.

So, I did it a third time via credit card for $50. Next thing I get a confirmation that all the funds were now mysteriously received and accepted. So now I’m in to them for $200.

They have refused to give me my $200 investment back. My open ticket from last week is still open.

My question is: has anyone made any money from this program or is it truly a scam? What means do I take to report them? How else can I get my initial investment back ?

In theory you can

If you know anything at all about web design, you’ll make far more money as a web designer, than with that system. If don’t know anything about web design, but are good at sales, you’ll make more money working for a ISP on commission, than you will with their system. (For that matter, other than the 15 or so largest ISPs, you probably can get some type of commission, for directing new customers to your existing ISP.)